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Jasmine= spoiled?
ABeautyButAFunnyGirl - 23-2-2008 at 01:24 PM

I don't get why everyone thinks she's spoiled, I don't see it. I think she's a cool Princess!


French_Maiden - 23-2-2008 at 05:20 PM

Agreed.
Jasmine is my second favorite princess, and even if people classify her as spoiled, it isn't like she can help it.


Kira - 23-2-2008 at 05:28 PM

I don't think she is. She's supposed to be spoiled because she wants to marry for love? That's hardly what I would call spoiled, even if it was against her culture's tradition.

Of course, she is rich, but she's the daughter of the Sultan.


*Aurora* - 23-2-2008 at 05:38 PM

She is one of my 3 fav princesses! and i dont think she is spoiled at all :D


Miss_Meggie - 23-2-2008 at 05:57 PM

She's my third favorite princess, too.
And I don't think she's spoiled. Is wanting to marry for love considered spoiled? I never thought so.


bunnykins - 23-2-2008 at 06:04 PM

Jasmine is my favourite princess, but I do see where people are soming from when they say she's spoiled. She does behave in a bratty, selfish way at some points-instead of trying to discuss the marriage thing with her father she refused to listen to what he had to say, which is unreasonable.

However, that does not change my opinion of her. Yeah, she may be spoiled but that makes her stand out from the other princesses. She's not just another 100% perfect young girl who's continuously nice to everyone regardless. And anyway, if she's spoilt it's probably all due to the fact that she's the Sultan's only daughter. And he's not very assertive is he? xDD

So yeah. Her 'spoilt-ness' is what makes me like her. It makes her more realistic. As a matter of fact, Ariel behaves more spoilt and I find her annoying sometimes-but with Jasmine, I can put up with her spoilt side. Meh. I don't think that even makes sense.


Miss.Alice - 23-2-2008 at 07:14 PM

I think she's spolit. She refuses to listen to anyone elses opinions, and thows a temper tantrum whenever things don't go her way. Thats the behaviour of a spoilt brat.


bunnykins - 23-2-2008 at 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Violet.Gypsy
I think she's spolit. She refuses to listen to anyone elses opinions, and thows a temper tantrum whenever things don't go her way. Thats the behaviour of a spoilt brat.

I do agree with you on that. ;)
Like I said in my last post, when her father is talking about the marriage she refuses to listen to his side and sulks when he doesn't listen to her.
Fair enough, I wouldn't want to marry some random prince just because the law said so. BUT if it was a tradition and my father really wanted me too, I would at least listen to his side of the arguement before sulking about it. She was being very unreasonable by expecting him to respect her opinion without her respecting his.

However, like I said, it makes her stand out. Everyone says they like Belle because she's nice to everyone, she stands up for herself and everything.
But it's unrealistic that Jasmine would be like Belle in that way. She's been isolated from the rest of the world-apparently she's only communicated with the Sultan, Jafar and random servants/princes. So..although I'm getting the feeling that I'm over-analysing the whole thing...it is probably far more likely that she would be a spoilt brat then another Belle, Esmerelda, Pocahontas etc.

Meh. She is still my favourite princess. It's part of her character and at least it's maintained in the sequels. And it does make her stand out from the 'nice' princesses. Ok, they're more likeable in that respect, but I personally go for characterisation over personality. On the other hand, people might say she's a bland character. But anyway.

Apologies for this really long, inarticulate post. :D


Rainbow*Bubbles - 23-2-2008 at 08:03 PM

I think most Disney princesses are spoiled in their own way- look at how selfish Ariel acts in disobeying her father and not thinking about how her family might feel if she goes away without telling them. I don't think Jasmine acts any more spoiled than the others, but because of who she is and her lifestyle, it seems more obvious.


bunnykins - 23-2-2008 at 08:08 PM

Ariel is definately as spoilt as Jasmine, if not more so.
Then again (to keep a potentially essay-long post short) Ariel's spoilt behaviour could be put down to her age...some 16 year olds aren't as mature as others and..maybe she's one of the less matur? That may not be relevent, but I personally think Jasmine is 18 or so and therefore it's more obvious (in my opinion) that she's spoilt?
Meh. They're both pretty spoilt really. And I'm just trying to keep a debate going here. xDD I enjoy debates like this! :D


Rainbow*Bubbles - 23-2-2008 at 09:45 PM

Lol, I like debates like this too. Is Jasmine older than Ariel? I've always seen them as about the same age. I think I'm probably also thinking of the little mermaid in Hans Christian Andersen's story, which might not be relevant coz Ariel's a more developed character, but in the book it's more explicit about how much her family suffer, e.g. when her sisters trade their hair with the sea witch. Although Jasmine seems spoiled, I think it's partly down to her lack of outside contact- if you never see any of the outside world, you're going to find it hard to think about people other than yourself.


Shalane - 23-2-2008 at 10:17 PM

I agree with Bunny I dont think shes really spoiled at all. Sure shes has a little temper and very headstrong but that's what makes her very different then the damsel in distress kinda princesses. Also I agree on her wanting to marry for love does not make her spoiled at all. Heck who doesn't want that? it shows she stands up for what she believes in and doesn't care what people really think of her at all.

But yea maybe I'm a bit bias also because Jas along with Belle is my favorite Disney princess:D


Sugarplum - 24-2-2008 at 12:52 AM

Jasmine is a little spoiled, because she has a devoted father who has completely doted on her. She expects to get her way, and she can get angry when she does not. However, that does not mean she is a complete brat. I don't think a self absorbed brat would give a hungry child a piece of fruit. She's spoiled and stubborn and sheltered, but like Bunny said, those things add to her character and make her much more interesting.


MadameGaston - 24-2-2008 at 02:10 AM

To be honest Jasmine's always kinda annoyed me something about her always irkeed me, I don't hate her but she's just no my type of character! But I wouldn't call her spoiled (Considering I usually LIKE the spoilt characters lolz)! She's just tempermental, Stubborn, Hard-to-please, and Picky : )


MissDisney - 24-2-2008 at 04:40 AM

i have a;ways seen her as spoiled for the fact of if she wante dto just be in lov she wouldnt dress like she does etc yes she is the sultans daughter but she could still dress down when she is with Aladdin


another2luvers - 26-2-2008 at 05:26 PM

Jasmine is spoiled, if you think about it. I mean, if you consider the era she lives in, look at what she dresses and acts like. Most princesses in her situtation would be covered from head to toe and not have a say in who they marry at all. And if her father hasn't forced her into marriage yet, and she still complains, then yah, she's spoiled.
It's just hard for us to consider spoiled b/c we live in a different time and place. She's still a really cool princess, none the less.


ABeautyButAFunnyGirl - 26-2-2008 at 05:30 PM

Remembers when she says to Aladdin (about living in a palace) that people would "tell you how to dress". She doesn't choose what to wear.
Kinda ironic when you considered she'd probably get stoned to death for wearing that in an Islamic country, even nowadays. :thinking:


pixiedust - 28-2-2008 at 10:27 PM

I think she might seem spoiled because she has no idea about what goes on outside of the palace. Like when she first goes to the marketplace and gives the little boy an apple without paying. She never had to so the thought doesn't even occur to her until its too late.

But I don't think that she's spoiled at all. She knows what she wants (ie. Marrying for love) but she's also very caring and kind. She doesn't seem spoiled to me at all.


wilterdrose - 28-2-2008 at 10:39 PM

i don't think she is.... not really... infact not at all.. the sultan gives her a lot of space.. and i mean, she doesn't have that much.. and seems pretty down to earth etc


Jammer - 8-3-2008 at 10:41 PM

She's a little unfamiliar with life outside the palace ...but to be "spoiled" you must be ungrateful. I think she's aware of how fortunate she is, she just wants to see what's on the other side of the wall. Her disagreement with her father wouldn't change whether she was rich or poor. So, I wouldn't really call her spoiled.


lumičre - 8-3-2008 at 10:51 PM

I can see why people think she's spoiled - she has it all! A HUGE palace, a loving tiger as a pet, and a father that is willing to give her anything she wants.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of Jasmine, but I just see where people are talking about her that way.

She complains because she has to marry a prince...most princesses wouldn't do that!


MadameGaston - 8-3-2008 at 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by brando


She complains because she has to marry a prince...most princesses wouldn't do that!


I know, Prince Achmed was hawe! And I sympathized with him when Jasmine rejected him!


lumičre - 8-3-2008 at 10:57 PM

Lol, yeah! I agree that Jasmine was acting a little spoiled at that moment!


Jammer - 8-3-2008 at 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by brando
She complains because she has to marry a prince...most princesses wouldn't do that!


Well... should she be happy to be told who she can and can't marry?


Persephone - 8-3-2008 at 11:48 PM

I don't think it's spoiled wanting to be romantic and marrying for love.
Then again I'm a hopeless romantic so that's probably just me talking XD
I guess I'm spoiled because I wouldn't choose the prince either..I think love shouldn't be found that fast.. it takes time.. and she had that time in Aladdin and grew to love him..it just took merely getting out of your own little world and seeing how the real world is like..
I think that goes for a lot of the heroines in disney, actually.


MadameGaston - 8-3-2008 at 11:52 PM

I would hate being forced into marriage too, I'm just saying I had alot of respect for Jasmines suitors and she should have let Achmed down easy (Of course Thats just Me!)


Jammer - 9-3-2008 at 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by GastonsGirl
I would hate being forced into marriage too, I'm just saying I had alot of respect for Jasmines suitors and she should have let Achmed down easy (Of course Thats just Me!)


Ah, he'll get over it if he's a man and not a little boy! ...uh-oh, so you don't like Belle either then... *rolls up sleeves*

j/k I can see what you mean.


Shalane - 18-3-2008 at 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by brando
I can see why people think she's spoiled - she has it all! A HUGE palace, a loving tiger as a pet, and a father that is willing to give her anything she wants.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of Jasmine, but I just see where people are talking about her that way.

She complains because she has to marry a prince...most princesses wouldn't do that!


True...but would you be happy with your dad telling you who you have to marry and spend the rest of your life with?

I know I wouldn't at all that's not a life its really a prison.

Having it all (palace, money, nice clothes) is nice but if you don't have true friends and somebody to love you and share it with it doesn't mean a thing.

Jasmine pretty much learned that from a young age if you ask me.


MadameGaston - 19-3-2008 at 12:16 AM

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ABeautyButAFunnyGirl - 19-3-2008 at 03:50 PM

To be fair, Prince Achmed was a jerk. So I don't see how Jasmine is spoiled because she doesn't want to marry such a bigheaded creep.


MadameGaston - 19-3-2008 at 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by MermaidPrincess
To be fair, Prince Achmed was a jerk. So I don't see how Jasmine is spoiled because she doesn't want to marry such a bigheaded creep.


Big-Headed guys aren't creeps, they're SEXY!:inlove:


ABeautyButAFunnyGirl - 19-3-2008 at 04:00 PM

Prince Achmed isn't :stubborn: lol


lady.cats - 1-7-2008 at 04:28 AM

hehe, great conversation :stars:

Jasmine is my favourite disney princess and there spoilers I didn´t think. Thank you (really) :stars:


lady.cats - 1-7-2008 at 04:28 AM

hehe, great conversation :stars:

Jasmine is my favourite disney princess and there spoilers I didn´t think. Thank you (really) :stars:


little.muffet - 1-7-2008 at 01:09 PM

I have to say that I disagree with bascially what everybody's said (apart from the arranged marriage because I know I'd hate that)

I do think Jasmine's spoilt, not because she has temper tantrums and over-reacts - probably her PMS lol! (that just makes her childish) but more in the way that she's unappreciative and maybe even expects too much.

Y'all keep saying how the Sultan's making her do this or making her do that - when actually she's got it as light as she can get! For most Islam women they're written off to a man to marry before they're 12 without ever meeting them they're forced into the arranged marriage and expected to be happy. Jasmine seems to get to choose her husband from those selected by her father deemed worth enough ~ so Jasmine can say "no" or "yes" to men. Seems she could also be expecting too much from a man. I agree Achmed was a poo-poo-head, but I'm sure that there must've been another suitor prince chosen from the Sultan with charm and grace like most princes are raised to have, with as enough money to make him care less about what he'll inherit. :/

Yes, she's been "trapped" but I think that's for her own safety, partly, and tradition. It's not like she's been raised popping back and forth to the market place when she was little and then told she can never do it again. I dunno, with this and the whole running away thing...just makes her all attention seeking.

I'm not criticising her for blowing her top when she walked in after Prince Ali arrives ~ 'cos it's not fair in her society how little a role women play. Yet it's the storming out in a huff and expecting the Sultan to chase after you. I think she's high maintenance, basically.

As for Ariel, well that's an entirely different kettle of fish (lol). I don't think she's spoilt ~ more impulsive, stubborn and strong. If you look at the difference between the Sultan and Jasmine and Ariel and Triton the roles are reversed: Jasmine brushes off what the Sultan has to say, Triton refuses to listen to Ariel. Ariel knows it's naughty and she bahaves incorrectly for a princess - but yeah that's her "little", curious side coming out. There's this second world that's within her reach. She's not exactly running away when she saves Eric, and she's not storming off after the argument with her father ~ you can see her tears are welling up so I think it's more in dispair and heart broken that she leaves rather than "OMG this is not what I want!! I'm leaving NOW! *marches off*" as Jasmine does.

And y'all mention how uncaring it is of her to leave the merworld for a man she's fallen in love with. But she does contemplate it - it's not like it doesn't even cross her mind and is selfish. But then look at it this way ~ sooner or later she'll get married to some merman and go off with him to live their life. Yes Triton and her sisters would be around because they're family and she's heiress. But it's like Sebastian (<3) says at the end "children got to be free to lead deir own lives". With Ariel I think she's just taking a stand, taking a risk for herself due to the way her father's been opressing and overprotecting her for so many years.

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ABeautyButAFunnyGirl - 1-7-2008 at 03:45 PM

^That was a brilliant point, Jo. *claps*


the.disney.princess - 26-7-2008 at 08:17 PM

Jasmine spoilt?
No way.

Ha!

Now. Anyone who knows me knows that I LOVE Jazzy-poo. But....yes, she's a wee bit spoilt. I mean she's not like Veruca-Salt-on-Willy-Wonka spoilt. But she is....kinda. Just look at her house, her pet. Her...everything. The Sultan gives her whatever she wants because it's his 'little girl' and she wants her to be happy. But when the marriage thing comes. He wants her to obey the law. Jasmine doesn't like that she has to be married to some suitor she's never met and doesn't love...so she fusses and pouts.

BUT. On the flip-side. She was willing to give up her royalties and luxuries when she ran away so she could live her life, even if it meant that she'd have nothing. That's not something a "Spoilt Brat" would do. EVER. Jasmine is just independent and stubborn to her views on what should be done with Agrabah's laws. She even said it herself, she felt trapped...a spoilt princess would say something along the lines of "Oh. I don't have enough toys. Get me more, beggar! RAWR"
Okay, maybe not quite that harsh, but...ya know what I mean.

Well...in the end....Jasmine got what she wanted. Again. But I still don't think that makes her as spoilt as some people claim her to be.


Jammer - 27-5-2009 at 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by little.muffet
I have to say that I disagree with bascially what everybody's said (apart from the arranged marriage because I know I'd hate that)

I do think Jasmine's spoilt, not because she has temper tantrums and over-reacts - probably her PMS lol! (that just makes her childish) but more in the way that she's unappreciative and maybe even expects too much.

Y'all keep saying how the Sultan's making her do this or making her do that - when actually she's got it as light as she can get! For most Islam women they're written off to a man to marry before they're 12 without ever meeting them they're forced into the arranged marriage and expected to be happy. Jasmine seems to get to choose her husband from those selected by her father deemed worth enough ~ so Jasmine can say "no" or "yes" to men. Seems she could also be expecting too much from a man. I agree Achmed was a poo-poo-head, but I'm sure that there must've been another suitor prince chosen from the Sultan with charm and grace like most princes are raised to have, with as enough money to make him care less about what he'll inherit. :/

Yes, she's been "trapped" but I think that's for her own safety, partly, and tradition. It's not like she's been raised popping back and forth to the market place when she was little and then told she can never do it again. I dunno, with this and the whole running away thing...just makes her all attention seeking.


I think it's more the other way around--not attention seeking, but wanting to avoid attention and see what a normal life is like. It seems comparable to when people get famous and can't do anything without it being in the papers.

But you make a lot of good points - I guess people just have to ask themselves, would they want to be in her shoes? Would it be a fulfilling life? Hey, it could be. I'm not asking that like there's a right or wrong answer.

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Originally posted by little.muffet
I'm not criticising her for blowing her top when she walked in after Prince Ali arrives ~ 'cos it's not fair in her society how little a role women play. Yet it's the storming out in a huff and expecting the Sultan to chase after you. I think she's high maintenance, basically.


Was she expecting that? It didn't seem to make a difference whether he chased after her or not--she wasn't going to go along with this and he wasn't going to talk her into it. I'm not sure I see why that part was about seeking attention.

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Originally posted by little.muffet
As for Ariel, well that's an entirely different kettle of fish (lol). I don't think she's spoilt ~ more impulsive, stubborn and strong. If you look at the difference between the Sultan and Jasmine and Ariel and Triton the roles are reversed: Jasmine brushes off what the Sultan has to say, Triton refuses to listen to Ariel. Ariel knows it's naughty and she bahaves incorrectly for a princess - but yeah that's her "little", curious side coming out. There's this second world that's within her reach. She's not exactly running away when she saves Eric, and she's not storming off after the argument with her father ~ you can see her tears are welling up so I think it's more in dispair and heart broken that she leaves rather than "OMG this is not what I want!! I'm leaving NOW! *marches off*" as Jasmine does.


I agree she's strong, but I can see Triton's point of view too. Like the Sultan, he was concerned with his daughter's safety and well-being. Unlike the Sultan, he's talking about a specific threat--exposing merfolk to humans. Kind of hard to judge the merit of that since it's made-up, but it's possible he might have been even more reasonable than the Sultan was with Jasmine.

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Originally posted by little.muffet
And y'all mention how uncaring it is of her to leave the merworld for a man she's fallen in love with. But she does contemplate it - it's not like it doesn't even cross her mind and is selfish. But then look at it this way ~ sooner or later she'll get married to some merman and go off with him to live their life. Yes Triton and her sisters would be around because they're family and she's heiress. But it's like Sebastian (<3) says at the end "children got to be free to lead deir own lives". With Ariel I think she's just taking a stand, taking a risk for herself due to the way her father's been opressing and overprotecting her for so many years.


I agree with all that mostly. I mean, it did put her dad through a lot, but he was happy for it all in the end, and the secret about merfolk would be kept. Is she wise or is she lucky? Maybe both, it depends who you ask. Again I don't think there's a right answer.


toons27 - 7-8-2009 at 06:34 AM

No, neither Jasmine or Ariel are spoiled brats.
Spoiled=yes. brats=no. Ariel is just independent and wants more out of her sea life. As for Jasmine, she just has a high temper and seems to be the type of woman that does not take crud from mean men like Jafar. Don't forget, Jasmine lived in a culture, where it is not tradition to marry someone for love. Jasmine just wanted a man who will love her for who she is instead of for her body.


TrueLovesKiss - 8-8-2009 at 03:00 PM

She is spoiled but at least she's got style.

I like a diva in the Princess line-up. XD


Angel of the Sea - 10-4-2010 at 08:24 PM

Well, yeah, I think she's 'spoiled' in the sense that she has a lot more than most people. I mean, come on she has a friggin' tiger for a pet! But I don't think she goes around flaunting her wealth like some of those jerk-faced princes like Achmed. She wasn't listening to her father because he expected her to pick one of these jerks. Remember, he said she was being picky.

I see where's she coming from with the whole not wanting an arranged marriage thing. It sounded like all of the princes she met were conceited and bratty. She did know the law and how she was expected to pick one of these guys but I guess she wanted to break tradition. I'm not saying she doesn't have flaws, because she does, but doesn't everyone? But I don't think that she's 'bratty'.

Another interpretation of her rejection of those suitors is that maybe they weren't the kind of people she'd trust with her father's kingdom once he died. I mean, they were a bunch of egotistical jerks. And to quote the Princess, "I was raised a princess, Aladdin, and a princess knows--the needs of the people outweigh her own." That applies to princes too. And Achmed the Great is outside about to whip innocent little kids--some care he shows for the people. Just a thought.


angelgirl - 16-4-2010 at 07:05 PM

While I do think she was spoiled, I don't think she was a brat. I mean, I'm sure the majority( if not all of us), would hate an arranged marriage. (I know I would.) I just think she didn't want her life run for her.
A.G.


the.disney.princess - 16-4-2010 at 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by Miss.Alice
I think she's spolit. She refuses to listen to anyone elses opinions, and thows a temper tantrum whenever things don't go her way. Thats the behaviour of a spoilt brat.

Really?? When did she throw a temper tantrum? Because I must have missed that one...
Oh, you're referring to her arguing with her father about being FORCED to marry someone she DOESN'T even KNOW or LOVE?

Um, so standing up for what you believe in makes you a spoiled brat? Well, if you think that is having a temper tantrum, then her and I both are spoiled brats.

And I'm sure wanting to marry who SHE wants is the ONLY thing Jasmine has EVER complained about. She was brought up in royalty and in a culture where women aren't equal to men and can't marry whom they chose. So, yeah, she wants to have her way. This one time.
I would do the same thing if I was in that situation.

Jasmine is more of a feminist than a spoiled brat.
Was Susan B. Anthony or Kate Chopin spoiled brats because they stood up for what they believe in?
What about Abigail Adams? Or Amelia Earhart?
In a way I think Jasmine and Amelia Earhart have A LOT in common. I mean, think about it...

People think she's spoiled brat just because she's a Princess. Well, she can't really help it.
So people give her things, but friggin' deal.
Just because her Daddy spoils his little girl doesn't mean she's a brat. At all.


Jasmine doesn't WANT to be just another "Peacock Princess". She wants to make a difference in the world and not for her own selfish reasons. She wants to help people and her country.
I honestly think Jasmine HATES the fact that she's a Princess.
A spoiled brat would LOVE it. And spoiled brats are selfish. Jasmine is not selfish in any way, shape of form.

She is willing to GIVE UP HER ROYAL STANDING when she runs away.

Again, just because she has a temper doesn't make her a spoiled brat.